Induction: Sting in WWE – WWE’s all-time most anticipated reminder that WCW sucked.

59 Submitted by on Thu, 08 September 2016, 20:00

WWE, 2015

“I always had this feeling that Vince wanted me more to undermine WCW than he did as a talent.”
Sting, “Legends with JBL”, 2016

sting00

If there was ever any wrestler synonymous with WCW, it was Sting. No one else had been with the company from its beginning to its end without ever working for the competition. Not Rhodes, not Flair, and certainly not Hulk Hogan, Scott Hall, or Kevin Nash. Even after the WWF bought out WCW, and even after his Time Warner contract expired, Sting never signed with Vince McMahon, instead wrestling in places like World Wrestling All-Stars and TNA. Partly, it was to work a lighter schedule to spend time with his family. But there was also the nagging worry that Vince McMahon would try to humiliate him just to get one final empty measure of revenge against WCW, booking him into irrelevance like Diamond Dallas Page and the rest of the WCW stars during the 2001 Invasion angle.  

But seemingly everyone (even Steve Borden himself) wanted to see Sting come to WWE to wrestle The Undertaker, to the point where the fan-made Sting vs. Undertaker Wrestlemania poster became a genre all its own.

sting01

sting03

What kind of carrier? Aircraft? Dog?

sting02

Maybe it was because both men had similar mysterious, dark, brooding, borderline-supernatural characters. Maybe it was because both men were the most respected and loyal members of their respective companies. Whatever the appeal, this was *the* last great WWF vs. WCW dream match that was still even possible.

sting04
In 2014, with Sting finally working with the company to promote the latest WWE video game, the long-awaited dream match was finally within reach.

But he wouldn’t be wrestling the Undertaker. At least, not yet. Instead, his first program in WWE would be against Triple H, whom Sting would force out of power at Survivor Series 2014.

That night, in a match where Triple H and Stephanie’s tenure as on-screen authority figures was at stake, Dolph Ziggler and Triple H’s proxy Seth Rollins were the last men remaining.

sting05

Ziggler hit a Zig-Zag on Rollins, leading Triple H to interrupt the count and beat up the referee. Later, Ziggler hit a Zig-Zag on Rollins, leading Triple H to interrupt the count and beat up the referee. Again.

sting06

Triple H then hit the Pedigree on Ziggler, pulled Rollins on top of him, and brought in crooked referee Scott Armstrong to make the count. Before he could make the three-count, he was interrupted by Sting’s theme music. All Armstrong had to do was hit the mat with his hand just one more time, but he instead stood transfixed for a full minute before Sting took him out.

sting07

Sting then hit the Scorpion Death Drop on HHH before dragging a lifeless Dolph Ziggler on top of Seth Rollins, who was still motionless after over four minutes, for the pinfall.

sting08

That must have been one hell of a Zig-Zag.

On his very first night with the company, Sting, whom the announcers quickly and repeatedly dubbed, “The Vigilante”, had made a lasting impact on the company, closing the door on 16+ years of tiresome “evil authority figure” angles.

sting09
This all happened in late November.

sting10

By the end of the year, The Authority was back in power, nullifying everything Sting had done.

sting11

Still, Triple H wanted revenge against Sting for giving him and Stephanie five weeks of paid vacation, and that revenge would take place at Wrestlemania Play Button. It was billed as “the match we never thought we’d see”: Sting vs. …any WWE guy, really. This meant that the Taker vs. Sting dream match would have to wait until at least Summerslam, after Sting had a tune-up victory over Triple H under his belt.

sting12
To further goad Sting, Triple H took credit for putting his old employers, WCW, out of business. And here you thought Steve Austin and The Rock were responsible for the Federation turning the tide in the Monday Night Wars.

sting13

Uh, didn’t you see Triple H riding that tank? A freaking tank! Can you blame WCW for immediately closing up shop?

But when Sting finally got the opportunity to speak to the WWE Universe, he declared that his sole mission was to take down Triple H, who had manipulated his way into power over the last 14 years, just as the nWo and others had done in WCW. Hence, the nickname, “The Vigilante.” Was he there to fight on behalf of WCW?

sting14

Absolutely not, said Sting, calling such an idea “ridiculous.”

He also drove his point home in a video package where, for some reason, his voice was deepened to the point that it didn’t sound like Sting at all. However, a quick pitch-correction revealed that it really was Sting speaking (unlike the time someone was stalking The Undertaker’s wife, where some pitch-correction revealed that it was, in fact, Vince McMahon).

sting15
At Wrestlemania 31, Sting made his grand entrance in front of nearly 77,000 fans who were too thrilled to see The Icon finally wrestle for WWE to wonder why a Japanese percussion ensemble was playing him to the ring.

sting16
And after watching Triple H’s entrance, Sting must have breathed a sigh of relief as The Game had forfeited any right to make fun of his alliance with RoboCop. But he also must have wondered how exactly he could “take down” Triple H as a tyrannical authority simply by beating him in a wrestling match.

This became a moot point, as once the match began, not a word was spoken about Sting being a vigilante (a nickname they had been pushing for months, starting the night after Sting’s first appearance) or his mission to take down the corrupt Triple H and save WWE.

sting17
But a lot of words were spoken about Sting trying to put WWE out of business in the 90s and take away everyone’s jobs by wrestling for WCW. It wasn’t just JBL spinning Sting’s career and motivations; supposed babyface announcer Michael Cole agreed with JBL, leaving Jerry Lawler as the sole voice of reason. Never mind the fact that WWE actually did put WCW out of business, putting dozens of wrestlers out of jobs, including Sting.

And as for Sting’s whole reason for finally coming to WWE? Despite what fans had seen back at November’s Survivor Series and heard in every Sting promo since then, we were now told that it was Triple H who brought Sting into the company, which he did so he could beat him and claim one final victory in the Monday Night Wars.

The fans in attendance didn’t hear any of this commentary, though, so they had no idea that this match was supposed to be the Super Bowl of sports entertainment, pitting WWE against WCW. Neither did Sting, who, as you may recall, had declared six days earlier that he wasn’t fighting for WCW and that to do so would be, and I quote, “ridiculous”.

But the announcers took every opportunity to belittle WCW and Sting, the man who thought he was too good to wrestle for WWE and was now getting his comeuppance.

sting18

And while that was happening, WWE took every opportunity to throw a bunch of crazy crap into the match.

sting19

First, there was a run-in by the lesser members of DX.

sting20
Sting survived a four-on-one disadvantage and a Pedigree before the nWo arrived on the scene to fight off DX and make it a fair fight again for the Stinger. An odd decision by Hogan, Hall, and Nash, considering that two of them were buddies of Triple H…

sting21
sting22
…and that Sting was the nWo’s number one enemy for years…

sting23

…and that as recently as three weeks earlier, Sting had cited the trio as a main reason why WCW went out of business.

sting24

Triple H kicked out of a Scorpion Death Drop before a senior’s brawl broke out at ringside.

sting25

Shawn Michaels then showed up to kick his fellow born-again Christian in the jaw, as his true loyalty lay with the King of Kings (uh, Triple H). It was “the Monday Night Wars come to life.”

sting26
Triple H then brandished a sledgehammer, so Scott Hall handed Sting a bat…

sting27

…which he used to somehow snap Hunter’s sledgehammer in half.

sting28

Sting threw away his weapon — all he needed were his fists and a lot of hairspray — and seemed poised for victory until Triple H nailed him in the face with the head of sledgehammer…

sting29

…leading to a pin. JBL declared victory one last time for WWE over WCW.

sting98

It was a tough loss for fans to accept, but in the end, legends have got to put over the young guys who really need it.

sting30

Post-match, there was a stand-off between the two warring factions of basically just Triple H’s friends.

sting31
Michael Cole noted the historical significance of this moment, wondering who would have ever imagined these men sharing the same ring.

sting33asting33b

I’ll tell you who would have imagined it: everyone who had watched the January 19th episode of Raw.

sting34

As if he had just forgotten everything Triple H had done to him in the past twenty minutes, from calling on four of his friends to beat him up to knocking him out with a sledgehammer to pick up the cheapest of victories, Sting shook Hunter’s hand. I guess the announcers weren’t the only ones suffering from amnesia on this night.

The next night after Raw, Sting gave an interview where he graciously accepted the Wrestlemania participation trophy.

sting35

As for his future, Sting resisted addressing the crowd’s “Undertaker” chants and gave an worryingly frank answer about taking whatever WWE offered him and how it would be a shame for the company to their opportunities with Sting go to waste.

sting36

Sting then made it perfectly clear to Bo Dallas that he didn’t Bo-lieve. Perhaps he should have, because the rest of his WWE run didn’t turn out much better.

Flash forward to August. Sting, having lost to Triple H in his only WWE match to date, was in no position to start challenging the Undertaker (This worked out fine, as the Phenom was embroiled in a feud with Brock Lesnar revolving around Taker kicking Lesnar in the groin and complaining that he was too braggy).

sting37

So Sting showed up on Raw in place of the statue Seth Rollins had earned by beating John Cena.

In his first promo back, Sting spoke about how much he respected Triple H.

Yes, he respected the man who recruited four of his goons to interfere in their match.

Yes, he respected the man who hit him with a sledgehammer to beat him.

sting38

Yes, he respected the man who came to the ring dressed as a robot.

sting39

Seth Rollins, on the other hand, was no Triple H. No, Seth had cheated his way to victory to hold on to his title and, to make matters worse, despite having relied on his political stroke to keep his inflated position in the company, he still thought he deserved to be ranked up there with the all-time greats of WWE. I repeat: Seth Rollins was no Triple H.

sting40

What he was was a “little boy”, and as this Sprite commercial proved, Sting was more than willing to beat up little boys.

Sting’s point was that he might not be as great as the great Triple H, who pushed him to the limit (Sting’s limit turned out to be a sledgehammer to the face), but Seth Rollins wasn’t even as great as Sting, let alone the great Triple H.

sting41

Stephanie McMahon agreed and gave Seth a dressing-down for the blasphemy of comparing himself to her husband.

And so the two men warred over who could better approach the undisputed greatness of Triple H. Well, over that and the missing statue…

sting42

…which appeared to be made of chocolate…

sting43

…and ultimately got fed to a garbage truck.

A week before Night of Champions, someone at WWE realized that Sting had lost his one and only match in WWE, and that it made no sense to give a title shot to the only man in the company with a worse win-loss record than Seth Rollins himself.

Therefore, WWE gave its fans something they had never seen before: the Stinger wrestling on Monday Night Raw…

sting44

…against Paul Wight.

sting45

The match soon ended in disqualification after Seth Rollins interfered, technically giving Sting the victory and upping his all-time record to 1-1.

sting46

This result led to a tag team match between Seth & Show and Sting and Cena, which ended with Sting getting the submission to earn himself a 2-1 record.

This tag team win boded well for Sting, especially because his opponent for Night of Champions had to wrestle John Cena immediately before wrestling Sting.

Two things happened at Night of Champions with big implications for Sting’s career: First, WWE announced that the rubber match between Brock Lesnar and the Undertaker would take place at the next month’s Hell in a Cell pay-per-view, rather than Wrestlemania. This meant that in Dallas the next April, The Undertaker would now be free to wrestle…

sting47

…well, you tell me.

sting48

And second, Seth Rollins lost his US title to Cena that night in a hard-fought 15+ minute match.

Right afterwards, it was Sting’s turn to pick up the scraps. But despite the odds being in his favor, Sting failed to win the big one yet again…

sting49

…this time losing via a roll-up.

Between the bells, Sting managed to get seriously injured by taking a dangerous move.

sting50

Not this move…

sting51

…or this one…

sting52

…or this one…

sting53

…but this one, basically the same move that Seth would put Finn Balor out of action with the following year.

sting54

Since Sting was already 56 years old, any injury could potentially end his career, especially an injury requiring surgery, and especially an injury requiring neck surgery.

The fact that Sting’s days in the ring were numbered and could end at any time should have been obvious to everyone, but WWE still managed to squander the Stinger’s last run by failing to book the only Sting match that people wanted to see, while jobbing him out in two matches nobody particularly wanted to see.

sting56

Instead of Sting, The Undertaker’s Wrestlemania opponent ended up being Shane McMahon.

sting97

And instead of prepping for a match, Sting spent the night before Wrestlemania 32 being inducted into the Hall of Fame and officially announced his retirement, having won countless big matches in NWA, TNA, and above all others, WCW…

sting00

…and having lost all his big matches in WWE.

Written by

A wrestling fan ever since the days of Wrestlemania IX, Art graduated from college in the same building where Art Donovan called King of the Ring 1994. He currently runs the "How Much Does This Guy Weigh?" blog, where he reviews New Generation-Era Monday Night Raws and Hasbro WWF figures. Email at: art@wrestlecrap.com
59 Responses to "Induction: Sting in WWE – WWE’s all-time most anticipated reminder that WCW sucked."
  1. Lipe From Chile says:

    I surely would have wanted to see taker vs sting, but before taker had that horrible concussion at WM XXVII. After that, I’m sure that match would have been totally underwhelming. Having said that, I generally agree with this induction. It’s one of those that makes you angry rather than happy. The mere thought of “make triple H look strong”, which I’m sure would have not been undermined by losing to Sting, makes me sick, not as much as his run with the Big Gold Belt in 2002-2005, but it’s even more notorious in these times, when he is not wrestling except for ‘Mania season.
    I do not agree with Sting having been WWE champ, he would have been the oldest champion ever (and the match that put Vince as the oldest champ was inducted, even if it wasn’t for that reason), and I don’t know if he would have been able to defend it in other ways rather than the Brock Lesnar way.

  2. Matt S. says:

    It got to the point that it was “Sting vs Taker? That time of year again, huh?” It was ridiculous and it was obvious it would never happen. Or if it would, they would both be grossly past their prime. You also forgot the crappy fake WrestleMania youtube video genre.

  3. John says:

    There’s so much I can write about this but I’m going to keep it short since Art did a fantastic job covering just about everything wrong with the WM 31 match. IMO the match was decent up until they had the whole DX vs. NWO bit. That killed it right there for me. The other thing was the buildup had JBL keep calling this a dream match. I been following wrestling for 20 years and have seen more than my fair share of dream matches for Sting most of them against Undertaker followed by Shawn Michaels. I’m sure the Rock might be there too. But I will make any wager that I have never EVER seen anyone say that Sting vs. HHH was a dream match they wanted to see. To quote Peter Griffin: Oh my god who the hell cares? Ironically I’m not a HHH hater like many people here but I just kept getting annoyed how WWE kept trying to push that as a dream match when I’ve never seen a single person say they wanted that ‘dream match’.

    There are many opinions out there that Sting vs. Taker would have been bad due to age or just simply not live to the hype, etc. Maybe so but it still would have made Vince a lot of money just selling the match. I also think it still would have been better than what we ultimately did get with the ‘dream match’ between HHH and Sting.

  4. Cameron A. says:

    To be fair, Sting WAS part of nWo Wolfpac in 1998, the “good” part of the nWo fighting the “evils” of nWo Hollywood. Hall and Nash were also Wolfpac members at one time in WCW.

    As overstuffed as this match is, it could have also thrown in Lex Luger and Konnan for whatever reason, likely to justify an attempted trademark on the wolf’s-head hand gesture which I’m sure had NOTHING to do with the Bullet Club. Convoluted faction histories and intellectual property grabs are just 2 sweet!

  5. Hulk6785 says:

    It hurts, physically hurts, to see WWE blow angles that should be so easy to book.

    • Guest says:

      Yeah because watching an out of shape Bret Hart wrestling an in shape but not exactly technically gifted Vince McMahon at Wrestlemania 26 was sure fun. And watching a 55 year old Sting wrestle a 50 year old Undertaker whose barely mobile as is would’ve been equally fun.

      • Art0Donnell says:

        “Yes, plus Sting had had a stroke and hadn’t wrestled in 10 years, and The Undertaker was never a trained wrestler. Plus, unlike Taker and Sting in 2015, even Bret Hart and Vince McMahon managed put on some decent high-profile matches with other wrestlers in 2010. So imagine how bad Sting vs. Taker would have been!”

        Is that what you mean?

  6. Alexandru says:

    Never cared about the Sting Taker match, it was over 10 years too late anyways. Real problem is Sting became about Vince being his petty self thinking it is still 1998. WWE may have won the war but WCW psychologically scarred him more than he already was. He can’t let it go. I remember in an interview Sting did where he was asked why he never went to WWE and he pointed about WWE’s treatment of ex WCW guys. He was proven right. He never should’ve gone to WWE. It was a waste of time, and it’s not like he needed the money

    • Guest says:

      Sting’s comment would have some levity if the bulk of WCW’s leftovers weren’t terrible or just plain boring. People tend to forget when the buyout happened you had guys like Kronik, Shawn Stasiak, Chuck Palumbo, Mark Jindrak, and a slew of other curtain jerkers coming over as a result of the buyout.

      Even the major stars that didn’t come over during the buyout like Steiner, Goldberg, Flair, Nash, Hall, & Hogan were guys few people wanted to see because they got tired of seeing them prior to WCW going under. And then some of these same guys wound up going to TNA where people got tired of seeing them go over the younger talent anyway.

  7. Raging_Demons says:

    Over here at “The Mike Check Show” when the whole farce happened with Sting & Taker at Wrestlemania we asked another question. What happened to Robocop? A lot of fans were asking this question during that match happened.

    Starting at “Robocop by The Sleaze Boys all the way in progression to “Help Me Rhonda” by The Beach Boys it was a short story arc on Mike Check getting a visit from Robocop but interference as well from other famous people until we found out that Triple H was trying to bury ole Mike Check. Did Triple H bury Mike Check like all the others? Well check out “The Mike Check Show” for that.

    Notes: In the beginning it was just supposed to be a one-shot story but in my opinion we just overdid it on how many people interfered just like how many people interfered in that Triple H/Sting match where it came to that one conclusion and I gotta admit one of my favorites Mike Check website wise (Well except for “This Is Your Life”) and to this day I reference this short story arc still with the reference “Looks Like Doc Brown is trying to find CM Punk again”.

    Overalll when it comes too this induction; at the time I saw this I thought like everybody else that finally Sting/Taker, what Sting wanted was actually going to happen. Then as it unraveled I said “I can’t believe Vince McMahon can be THIS Petty!” then I suddenly realized” Oh wait! Vinnie Mac is that petty!” And I facepalmed myself into unconsciousness. I really felt bad for Sting because he got used big time and his Wrestlemania moment was merely a moment for Vinnie Mac to show who’s better including a 15+year old dead wrestling organization.

    Honestly that kind of started a path towards slowly losing my wrestling fanhood with Roman Reigns basically destroyed with his vanilla acting of complete persona of death.

  8. Casey says:

    I almost didn’t make it to the end of this induction. Not because it wasn’t good, it certainly was. Not because it wasn’t accurate, it certainly was. And that was the trouble. It made me so angry all over again over the whole thing. I’ve never, ever been as angry with a commentator as I was with JBL during that match at WrestleMania 31. I was so mad I shut the show off for awhile after that.

    Crap like this is why to a certain degree I still remain disenchanted with the WWE product. The whole thing was a waste. I even hated Ric Flair’s induction speech which was pretty much all about him until it came time to introduce Sting. It was the rotten cherry on the crap Sunday of Sting’s WWE tenure.

    I should have suspected or even guessed it would go down this way. That’s what I get for thinking this company might learn from previous mistakes.

  9. Scrooge McSuck says:

    I tried to enjoy all of Sting’s WWE stuff, but it was about as angering and frustrating as the Invasion. Just… why? Why waste time and money? (This is rhetorical, BTW)

  10. Guest says:

    “Never mind the fact that WWE actually did put WCW out of business, putting dozens of wrestlers out of jobs, including Sting.”

    …..Wait WWE was flying WCW talent to shows and not using them, Letting Kevin Nash book episodes of Nitro with barely any wrestling, Forced guys like Hogan,Eddie Guerrero,Benoit,Malenko, & Jericho to quit the company, Convinced the executives at TNT to run Thunder as a second show, Put Mark Madden at the commentary table, Responsible for bad ppv’s like Souled Out & Road Wild, Booked the finger poke of doom, Allowed David Flair to step in a wrestling ring, Gave Scott Steiner a title reign and a microphone, Changed the logo to that ugly black & silver nonsense, Devalued certain titles like the U.S. and Tag-Team titles, Made David Arquette Heavyweight Champion, and canceled both of Nitro & Thunder?……Why didn’t anyone tell me this?

  11. saintstryfe says:

    McMahon has an intensely good sense for how to burn money to get a little bit over on a show that had been canceled, and he owned the rights to.

    From not splurging on a few of the big stars in the invasion, to screwing up Eric Bischoff’s run in the company, to screwing up Goldberg, to having one real star come out of the WWE, to Sting’s failures.

    You know, I think about it – the only WCW star who really, really got over? Booker T. And who did Booker T job to? Trips. Bischoff? Trips. Goldberg? Trips. The rest of the WCW roster during the invasion? Trips.

    You know, you’d think if Vince wanted to show he had a grudge, he’d be slightly more subtle then to send his Son-in-Law out on the case.

    • JH says:

      Trips wasn’t around during the Invasion, so how could anyone job to him?

      Not that it would’ve been any different from WCW jobbing to everyone else during the Invasion, but still…

  12. Adam says:

    “That jackass who kept turning on us in storyline has gone all corporate… DX rebels, assemble! We better help him. Because… why are we doing this? And why are the nWo helping Sting?”
    “LolKayfabe. Trips is just giving his buddies Mania appearance pay. If you don’t want it, let me have it. I’ll burn it in front of those midcard losers he didn’t book on the show.”

  13. Gerard says:

    Sting wrestled for years fought just about everyone you could ever think of. Even fighting a stoned out of his skull Jeff Hardy and managed to do it all OK. Gets to the WWE what happens?? Loses to hunter and a bungling Seth Rollins does what hulk Hogan ric flair and even a stoned Jeff Hardy couldn’t do hurt sting bad enough that he had to retire all so that Vince could say well at least sting is in the WWE hof with drew Carrey and Pete Rose!! Way to go Vince way to crap all over Sting’s legendary career!!

  14. #OPC says:

    I still can’t believe Sting destroyed that statue of Jerry Lynn.

  15. Si says:

    Am I right in thinking Sting said in a non-kayfabe, post-WM31 interview he wasn’t interested in a Taker match?

  16. GarglingBulldog says:

    Great post!

  17. JimbobJones says:

    I’ve said it many times before: Vince is going to keep winning the Monday Night War until he goes out of business.

    The funny thing is, fifteen years after they WON, Vince still has his people talking about how “victimized” they were by WCW. The sad thing is that a lot of the markier WWE marks still believe it (even extending that baloney to TNA “picking on” WWE). The smartest thing he EVER did was paint WWE as the victim. Twenty years later, that tree is still bearing fruit (to the point where some people will still defend asinine booking like the Invasion and this abortion)

  18. Time Lord Soundwave says:

    Did anyone else have trouble listening to most of the audio clips? They were way to quiet for me, and I have my computer’s volume at full.

  19. Greg says:

    I loved the NWO/DX involvement. Sure it didn’t make much sense but that was some good nostalgic fun. Sting should have beat HHH. It sucked the air out of the crowd for a bit when Sting lost.

    Reminds me of the meme of Sting going I have some stuff I need to get off my chest but first, let’s talk about how great HHH is.

    • John says:

      I admit the nostalgia was kind of fun. If they would have put it either after the match was over or on an episode of RAW and not have it interfere with the actual match, I think that would have been fine. But having it right in the middle of the match felt like a deflating balloon flying all over the place. But that’s just me. Everyone has different opinions obviously.

  20. Turk Butler says:

    I think this stale notion that WCW was the most appalling major company in wrestling history needs to be addressed. After watching the 1999-2001 Nitro’s on the network over an extended period, I’d say almost all of them were vastly more entertaining than the hideous fare parlayed by the WWE in recent years. For all its ludicrousness it was fun to watch, even more so now when offered 3-5 hours of mind numbing boredom on a weekly basis. But it seems the WWE has mostly brainwashed people with their relentless campaign to deride WCW since its demise, something they can’t let go. I don’t care what anyone thinks, I’ll take an episode of Nitro with Chavo Guerrero as an Amway salesman, Ralphus and Norman Smiley being broke and homeless begging for money, Hacksaw Duggan scrubbing toilets, Kevin Nash dressed as the Great Wizard and Vince Russo going to Ric Flairs house with David Flair and Daphne any day over three hours of bland characters, pointless 20 minute matches, scripted promos and dead crowds.

    • Greg says:

      Oh my, a WCW Russo fan has appeared. Never thought I would see one.

      • OSWMARK4LIFE says:

        I would watch that glorious trainwreck over current WWE mediocrity any day of the week. That is why Matt Hardy’s epic videos have become so popular lately. We need more insane garbage than authority angle’s/promos and I would rather the midcard be full of clowns and jokes than as irrelevant spot monkeys, there I said it.

        • Greg says:

          Be careful combing different with good. Weird wacky stuff does not sell in the long term. It only works in short spurts.

          A lot of that WCW wacky Russo stuff wasn’t fun. Or good. Or entertaining. It was odd and boring.

          A good example is Judy Bagwell on a pole match. That was wacky. Unique. Different. It wasn’t good. It wasn’t entertaining. It wasn’t fun. It wasn’t something a national audience would want to watch.

  21. Mister Forth says:

    For every AJ Styles or Bobby Roode, WWE does stuff like this that show once in a while they will end up blowing their brains out to spite their face.

  22. RobVanDamIsABallerina says:

    I’m really hoping Hunter’s Pedigree Spree a few weeks ago was a continuation of this story line, and it’s all leading up to a blowoff at Survivor Series where he defeats Rollins, Reigns, Owens, Sami Zayn, Sting, John Cena, Undertaker, HBK, Daniel Bryan, Nash, Hall, Hogan, Flair, Stone Cold, Zack Ryder, AJ Styles, a returning CM Punk and The Rock in an Gauntlet Match to become the new WWE Universal Champion and finally gets his chance to shine.

    • whorefinder says:

      Don’t forget Brock Lesnar, who got to end the UT’s streak while poor Trips had to job! Imagine, someone as great as Trips being forced to job to an inferior wrestler like UT! Someone call Vince, Mr. McMahaon’s son-in-law is upset!

      honestly, the best part about Shane coming back have been the rumors at how gosh-darn upset Mr. McMahaon’s son-in-law is at the development—especially the genuine pops Shane gets, as opposed to the piped in ones for Mr. McMahaon’s son-in-law. Trips thought he cleared this obstacle to power away, and now he’s returned….and doing good work!

      Can’t wait till Stephanie divorces Trips and he’s cast into low-level indie land where he belonds.

      • Brother Nero Cage says:

        Triple H desperately wanted to be the guy that ended the Streak. But he was also too scared to take the heat that would have come along with it. So instead they had that one match at Wm where Triple H beat the UT down but the UT pulled out a fluke victory before Triple H beat on him some more.

        Triple H walked out while UT had to be carried out on a stretcher basically. At the time it was about as close to beating Taker at WM that anyone could get. Some even argued Triple H “won” a moral victory and that it was almost as good as having pinned Taker.

        The buildup for the rematch didn’t help either. It basically portrayed UT as broken and desperate as if he had actually lost and needed to avenge himself while Triple H said he had nothing to prove. And all the while Triple H could technically claim that he didn’t end the Streak so no one could really say much about that.

        Look back and see. Once Triple H married Steph, he went from DX joke group mid carder to overnight “best in the world”. He was beating Austin, Rock and everybody else. Especially Jericho. Goldberg, Steiner, Booker T, Angle. Once Cena became the man Triple H slowly faded into the front office but he still can’t resist putting himself over talent.

  23. Arya Witner says:

    Not that it really matters, but Shawn Michaels was in the nWo as well

    • Caveman says:

      Indeed, the nWo C-Team (C stands for chocolate, like the color of a certain starfish). And the most hilarious incarnation as well. Those skits with Big Show crapping all over the toilet and Booker T making a smelly face with X-Pac and Shawn laughing their behinds off was the best stuff the nWo had ever done. 😉

  24. Caveman says:

    They should sell a life-sized Seth Rollins Chocolate Statue like that in the WWF Shopzone.

  25. Caracalla says:

    Honestly, the Sting of 2015 should not have been in the same ring as a Triple H or a Seth Rollins. Balding, on the cusp of retirement, still with that ridiculous porn star beard.
    Can you really see THAT Sting going up against The Undertaker and looking credible?

    The problem is that the fans wanted their childhood back. They wanted a Sting who only existed for a short time, and barely wrestled, the guy who hung out in the rafter and looked awesome – because the biggest heel faction in the business were constantly selling him like frigging Batman.

    This whole chapter is as much the fault of overly nostalgic fans as it is Vince McMahon’s. And yet another object lesson in why seeking out cheap nostalgia pops is detrimental to the business as a whole.

    • whorefinder says:

      Honestly, the Triple H of any year should not be in any professional wrestling ring.

      • Caracalla says:

        And what are you basing that statement on, precisely? Unlike Sting, Triple H can actually cut a promo, and even at his age can still put on a great match or two.
        One can dislike his politicking all they want, but you can’t deny his talent as a wrestler.

        • whorefinder says:

          @Caracalla:

          oooh, looks like we have one of the WWE’s paid shills coming to defend their boss…or else the’ll get fired.

          “And what are you basing that statement on, precisely?”

          –His entire career.

          “Triple H can actually cut a promo”

          –badly, like he always does, putting the audience to sleep, while his opponent does his promos better. The most hilarious part of this man’s promo-cutting career was when the Rock was schooling him every week when they went on the mics against each other (the crowd pops for Rock were 10x for Mr. McMahaon’s son-in-law), while the announcers tried to pretend Triple H was even in Rock’s class.

          Sting always could and still can cut a promo better than Mr. McMahaon’s son-in-law. Why/ Simple: Sting has talent,

          ” can still put on a great match or two.”
          —lmao. Mr. McMahaon’s son-in-law has never had a “great” match. His matches are snooze fests of subpar selling and oh-no-the-sledgehammer-of-snooziness. And one can’t forget his extremely weak finishing move—the Pedigree—too slow to be a quick snap on move that jacks the audience (Stunner, Rock Bottom, DDT), and not a cool, slower, draw-out-the-pain submission (sharpshooter, cobra clutch, camel clutch). the Pedigree is the kind of boring, lame finisher an indie wrestler tries out and then discards for a better one.

          “but you can’t deny his talent as a wrestler.”

          –LMAOROFL. Oh goodness, I hope your paycheck is worth such nonsense. Triple H has extremely minimal talent as a wrestler; his entire success is due to being Mr. McMahaon’s son-in-law and, before that, Shawn’s lackey. His heat is all pumped in, and in fact they used to call his actual heat “Triple H heat” before that was changed to “X Pac Heat.” The whole reason they cancelled Lance Storm’s “Boring” gimmick was because the crowds were chanting it at Triple H as well!

          Face it: Mr. McMahaon’s son-in-law is third-rate, banana-nosed, Chyna-banging jobber who has been outclassed in each and every match he has ever had. And no matter how much WWE pays you or how many paid shills scream otherwise, Triple H has never been a good wrestler.

          Back to Stamford with you, chump!

  26. whorefinder says:

    Jim Cornette, as always, offered a great frank opinion on the subject.

    In a nutshell, the younger fans didn’t know who Sting was or knew about WCW, and then WWE made him a loser on debut to a mid-carder whose only method of becoming a headliner was to marry the boss’s daughter.

    And then to older smarks, you pissed all over an icon for a guy the smarks hate and buried a legend and screwed up an easy payday by doing Taker v. Sting.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9ziBvsLyZc

    All to bury WCW again. This was like digging up a dead body just to hang it again.

    • CP says:

      Yes. Never mind the previous five plus years of his career.

      As I said, it’s obvious you haven’t watched wrestling for the last eighteen years.

  27. Brother Nero Cage says:

    Not to bemoan the issue but it’s not like this was the first time WWE did this. Of course there was the entire Invasion angle. But does anybody remember when Flair came to the WWF in the early 90s? Hogan vs Flair to unify the belts should have been a no brainer WM main event.

    2002, the NWO was brought in and dismantled within a couple of months. Later that year, Shawn Michaels made his return. If they could have timed it better, we could have gotten NWO vs DX. But we did get Hogan vs Rock at WM18.

    And back in 2003, the night after Rock-Austin 3 happened at WM, WWE finally brought in Goldberg as Austin announced his neck was too messed up to keep wrestling.

    And when you add Sting to the list, that’s 4 genuine wet dream matches fans actually wanted.

    Thanks to bad booking and bad timing, we lost out on a real Hogan-Flair match in the WWF, NWO vs DX, Goldberg vs Austin and Sting vs Undertaker. The Sting situation may be the most stinging (lol) because he really was the last big name that never worked in the WWE and it looks like he may be the last ever to hold that distinction.

    WWE has been acquiring guys like that for the past couple of years now. AJ Styles and to a lesser extent, Samoa Joe were well known but nowhere near the level of Sting. I’ll never understand how a company so successful blew such easy opportunities.

    • whorefinder says:

      “I’ll never understand how a company so successful blew such easy opportunities.”

      Vince’s ego. He needed to be seen as crushing WCW symbolically in every match, which ruined the entire experience.

      By the way, the NWO was tailor-made for the Invasion angle. Getting Hogan, Hall, and Nash together as guerrilla warriors who “weren’t going to let Vince take over” would have been pure awesome: they could have run the old NWO-anti-hero angle and yet it would have seemed fresh. What’s more, the angle could have been Vince and WWE wrestlers insulting WCW guys in vingettes and “holding them to their contracts” and humiliating them until one by one the WCW guys would flip to “NWO for life”, setting up Vince as the Big Baddie and the NWO guys as the faces.

      It would have been bizarre but awesome: WWE makes all of its own guys the baddies, and NWO becomes the DX-heroes. A big blow off Wrestlemania with dream matches. Shane and Bischoff become the righteous new-blood leaders, and the final match forces Vince to turn and say to the WCW/NWO crew “I respect you” as confetti rains down.

      But playing “what-if” on this angle is sadly played out. Vince choked the big one on this. His second greatest failure—besides having Triple H become his son-in-law and right-hand man.

      • Brother Nero Cage says:

        oh yeah I totally understand Vince’s ego getting in the way of good business, but I was wondering how a company could become as big as it has when they blow the easy calls.

        At the end of the day it’s Vince’s company but for someone with the vision to take the WWE from where it was in the early 80s to where it is now, he seems blind when it comes to fundamental decisions.

        You’re right. The Invasion what if scenarios are played out. It’s clear WWE had no real plans when they bought out WCW. Vince could have easily persuaded the big names to come work for him sooner. the NWO, Sting, Steiner, Goldberg, Mysterio. He should have brought in the WCW guys like DDP, Bagwell, Kidman, etc and job them out, storyline fire them, humiliate them like you mentioned…….at least until the big guys could have shown up and then have it be a real invasion.

        But one of the supposed reasons the Invasion was rushed (and it shows) was so it could be out of the way when Triple H returned at the 2002 RR. The following WM was the one he main evented with Jericho over The Rock & Hogan so it was definitely all about him. Until Brock showed up. And honestly, I think Vince and company may have been a little hesitant about putting the best of WCW up against the best of the WWE even in their own ring.

        What if fans did start popping for the NWO over their own guys. Vince’s ego couldn’t have handled that. One of the reasons I believe they put Stone Cold and Angle in the alliance. A not so subtle message that WCW was so weak it had to get WWE guys to make them a threat. But yeah if Vince had handled the WCW takeover right and actually laid out a long term plan and talked to those guys, I believe Sting would have been there much sooner.

        • Greg says:

          He could NOT have persuaded the big names to come in. They were getting paid a TON of money to sit at home. A ton of money to do nothing. He would first have to buy them out and then give them a new giant contract. Not financially feasible. Hey come put your body through a bunch of shit or sit at home and get paid a ton of money. I think they would choose the latter.

          Steiner was injured so he wasn’t going anywhere.

    • KatieVictoriasSecret says:

      If I remember right, the reason why Hogan/Flair never happened in the WWF was because the steroid trial was happening at the same time.

  28. Peter says:

    I feel like if TNA was more successful this would have never happened. I basically got this vibe from Sting toward the end of his TNA run that he didn’t want to finish out his career wrestling in front of 500 people at Universal Studios. So, he went to work for WWE, and at least he finished his career wrestling in front of larger crowds, but it always felt like WWE begrudgingly put him in the few main event spots he had.

    • Hitmonchan says:

      Dixie neefs to go.

    • KatieVictoriasSecret says:

      TNA is a walking lesson about never, ever letting Hulk Hogan near the book. We could’ve had Styles, Samoa Joe, Daniels, hell, even Owens at the top of the card there. Instead we had months of The Brooke Hogan Show.

  29. Hitmonchan says:

    #ThankYouSeth

    – Vince K. McMahon

  30. MistaMaddog says:

    #wwe_ruins_everthing_wcw

  31. Justin Ballard says:

    God I hated that Sting vs. Triple H match. Absolute, nonsensical drivel.

  32. KatieVictoriasSecret says:

    Vince McMahon’s the only mogul in the world who could take a license to print money like this and use it as toilet paper.

leave a comment