It Came From YouTube: Buff Bagwell vs. Booker T on Raw. Enough said.

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Here’s Booker T. Vs. Buff Bagwell for the WCW Championship from the July 2nd, 2001 episode of Monday Night Raw.

Some say this is the match that killed any chances of WCW being a separate brand after WWE bought WCW.

Some say there was no chance of that ever happening, anyway.

But I think everyone can agree on one thing…

This match really sucked.

And I think it’s safe to say that the match sucking wasn’t Booker T’s fault…

Be thankful you aren’t being subjected to the whole match and only have to see (so-called) highlights.

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35 Responses to "It Came From YouTube: Buff Bagwell vs. Booker T on Raw. Enough said."
  1. Sean Bateman says:

    perfect Wrestlecrap nugget

  2. E-Squared says:

    Don’t even get me started on Stacy’s ring announcing. *shudder*

  3. Jeff says:

    Arn Anderson has always been my favorite Horseman. But when I listen to him talk down Stone Cold and Angle about jumping WCW I can’t help but to think, “Isn’t this the same guy who once followed Dusty Rhodes in a car, beat him down with the other Horsemen, and then break his hand with a baseball bat?”

    • Tempest_Fennac says:

      I assume we were supposed to forget about that because AA was a Babyface at this point (of course, if AA had turned Heel at any point, someone bringing this up would have been fine).

  4. James S says:

    Well, there’s a reason why Booker stayed in the WWE and Buff Bagwell didn’t.

    • Frozen Banana Expert says:

      That was actually because he got into a fight with Shane Helms.

      That’s right.

      Vince overlooked a jacked-up freak devoid of personality in favor of a skinny workrate geek.

      A weird time in wrestling was 2001.

  5. Horsemen4ever says:

    I’m not sure that they even let Buff back in the building after the show.

  6. patricko says:

    I remember watching the match live, and not thinking it was that much worse than anything else I saw.
    the clip really doesn’t highlight any truly bad wrestling, does it?

    Except it had Buff Bagwell in it, and Buff as heel was always pretty annoying and nothing I ever wanted to spend my time watching.

    Read years later that he was told not to wear the hat down to the ring, and he ignored the order.
    Pretty damn stupid thing to do, given it was his and WCW’s debut on Smackdown.
    Then you hear about how his mom called him in sick to Jim Ross or someone soon after…

    Here was a guy that simply didn’t care about his job.

  7. Rose Harmon says:

    The WCW buyout and the Alliance angle were the turning points for me from looking forward to watching wrestling each week, and watching out of habit. It was handled so hilariously bad that there should be an extra chapter in The Death of WCW just detailing it in excruciating detail. Speaking of, I’ve managed to get my bf, a casual wrestling fan at best, to read the book. He really found it interesting.

  8. Hashington says:

    serious gh gut on bagwell

  9. Jimbolian says:

    I think this match deserves it’s own induction. The first (and only) WCW Raw match was the nail in the coffin in having WCW truly considered its own brand. Makes me wonder if that instead of splitting the roster into the Raw and Smackdown brands a year later, it could’ve been split as the WWE and WCW brands.

    • Peter says:

      I second this. Not sure if there’s much material to work with but Art and RD are pros.

      Someone recently tried convincing me Buff Bagwell was a main eventer in WCW. I think the only WCW match they ever saw was this one.

      • Peter says:

        Also speaking of inductions, wanted to point out this link about a new comic book coming out plus the history of the comics. Comics and wrestling always seem to make for good crap!

    • Jakki Steal says:

      I stopped watching wrestling after Vince bought WCW.
      I started back up 5 years ago.

      I have a serious question.
      Why do people keep saying Raw & Smackdown are 2 different brands?
      I see the same wrestlers on each show week after week.
      I can’t tell the difference between the 2.

      • "The Big Cheese" Paul Kraft says:

        In 2002 there was a “brand split” in which Raw and Smackdown were split into two separate “brands”. Wrestlers would be drafted onto one of the two brands. It was in theory supposed to create two distinct shows but they eventually kind of forgot about it and wrestlers started appearing on both shows again.

        • drunkenmaster says:

          I theorize that maybe this is because the WWE doesn’t have the same back up talent they had in 2002. Perhaps they have fewer wrestlers, so that’s why Raw and Smackdown returned somewhat to their original status. Just my theory, though…

        • Jakki Steal says:

          Cool, thanks for the info.
          So was it cool at the time?
          Seems to me it would have been lame & limited the amount of variety for the matches on both shows at the time.

          • "The Big Cheese" Paul Kraft says:

            You are correct on both counts. It was pretty dumb. 🙂

            • Tempest_Fennac says:

              I wasn’t watching the WWE when the brand draft first happened (it was just after Summerslam ’03 when I started watching again), but it didn’t seem like a bad idea on paper due to theoretically giving the company a chance to elevate newer people. I think the biggest issues were that single brand PPVs tended to just feel weak in general (the fact that the first RAW and Smackdown! only PPVs featured an SCSA vs. Bishoff Redneck Triathlon and a Barroom Brawl featuring Brother Love and the Easter Bunny respectively got things off on the wrong foot).

              Realistically, the lack of variety wouldn’t have been as much of a problem if they’d mixed things up a bit more. suggests that each show had about 30 people to start with, which I suppose is a little bit limited. Single brand PPVs wouldn’t be hosted until over a year later so they didn’t suffer as much from a relative lack of big names. I remember reading that initially the idea was for Snackdown! to be more wrestling orientated than RAW (at least after a little while) but then it ended up out-performing RAW in the ratings consistently, which lead to it ending up with the same type of storylines and booking. Having them as being distinct from each other would have possibly helped a lot due to emphasising the idea that the roster was split.

  10. John says:

    They should have had used even finer WCW Champions like David Arquette or Vince Russo to really highlight the greatest of WCW in the later years.

  11. Anonymous says:

    WCW had no chance of ever being a separate brand because Vince McMahon resented (and still resents) anyone who has the balls to compete with him.

    Also, Booker T. is awesome.

  12. Lee W. says:

    I have heard that hospitals have this on standby in case they run out of anaesthetic

  13. Nick Nutter says:

    Watching anything from the end of Wretlemania 17 to about Wrestlemania 18 (especially Summerslam 2001) is like stepping into Bizarre-o world.

  14. John Matrix says:

    The match isn’t *that* bad. I’ve seen much worse.

  15. Matt Soileau says:

    Ah! WWF WCW. Stacy Keibler’s crap ring announcing. Arn Anderson mumbling through commentary with new “head WCW commentator” Scott Hudson. When he was in WCW he was their Coach equivalent at best. And Buff Bagwell. To be fair, he was just being himself. Which is fine when you’re in WCW during it’s dying days but not so much in the dub…

  16. Matt Soileau says:

    This match is also why we had a “Raw” and “Smackdown” roster split/brand extension/whatever and not a “WWF/WCW” split or whatever. Also, supposedly they were going to have a WCW TV show in the slot that WWF/E Excess ended up occupying. But, to be fair, that would have probably ended up being like the WWE produced ECW show. And, from what I heard, Shane wanted Test to be WCW Champion…

  17. Ed says:

    I actually liked Bagwell for a long time, though he definitely did get extremely lazy towards the end of his WCW run… Which made him the same as 75% of the roster…
    The match was pretty bad, but the beatdown ending really killed WCW.
    They probably should have good with Lance Storm over Buff Bagwell…

  18. theOneManChainGang says:

    This clip sums up the entire “Invasion” storyline. Vince hates WCW. WWE guys beat up WCW guys. WWE guys win.

  19. Y2G says:

    I’ve always thought this match has been used as a tool for the real reason they never toured WCW and that it was simply that the brand had been so soiled it was never going to work.

    Given that Buff Bagwell was never going to be a major player in the WWF/E it was an easy desicion to throw him out there and Vince could blame him for ever more.

    I mean think of it logically, they had DDP and Booker T on the roster at this point. THAT is your WCW main event if you want to showcase the good things about WCW.

    It was a horrible mis use though. Think of how much more valuable the brand split would have been with WWF and WCW instead of Raw and Smackdown. A guy doing a run in on Raw from a WCW brand gives so much more importance just by name recognition alone.

    Think of how guys like Randy Orton, Kofi Kingston, Dolph Ziggler and more could have been made by Vince as ‘WCW’ guys. It would have given them much more lineage. Promo’s could have been better as a guy ‘jumps ship’ to WWE and trashes them saying how much WCW is better etc.

    Alas we will never know.

  20. tmm says:

    Reading the previous comments, are we doing reruns like on tv ?

    The match itself is not wrestlecrap, it is part of an angle that was, fact that Bagwell was part of it, helps it to give him some heat

    Seems nowadays with kayfabe goingf the way of the dodo Faces vs heels has been replaced by wrestlecrap vs not crap and everybody is p… off when crap gets the upper hand or guys labelled crap have air time.

    Talking about a match that was an attempt of mocking another brand or being perceived this way , has the tag team match (details are sketchy) where Cornette took place commentating ?. Think it was when the WWE bought Smokey Mountain wrestling, it has Cornette in a way parodying what he used to do, and as a fan of this old school “rasslin” it hurted to watch it. Kinda lost any respect I had for him after that.

  21. MistaMaddog says:

    When a match gets suddenly interrupted by a horrific Vince McMahon sex scene (on the original RAW broadcast), you know it’s BAD…

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